Comments on: Conversations With a Skeptic #3 http://students.washington.edu/secular/2008/10/30/conversations-with-a-skeptic-3/ University of Washington's home for students of all flavors. Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:48:07 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Karin http://students.washington.edu/secular/2008/10/30/conversations-with-a-skeptic-3/comment-page-1/#comment-222 Karin Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:56:44 +0000 http://students.washington.edu/secular/?p=161#comment-222 "At least one of these has to be wrong." No, only those like Mars Hill have to be wrong. Only among the interpretations that say they are the only right way can there be only one right answer. But that's mostly just the uber conservative Christians and Muslims. "Somebody who thought he was God." Most modern scholars do not believe Jesus considered himself God, or "the son of God," although clearly after his death his followers did. Dude, Jesus didn't believe the books of the Old Testament literally. No one back then did. That's just insane modern people. This is just getting so circular. “At least one of these has to be wrong.”
No, only those like Mars Hill have to be wrong. Only among the interpretations that say they are the only right way can there be only one right answer. But that’s mostly just the uber conservative Christians and Muslims.

“Somebody who thought he was God.”
Most modern scholars do not believe Jesus considered himself God, or “the son of God,” although clearly after his death his followers did.

Dude, Jesus didn’t believe the books of the Old Testament literally. No one back then did. That’s just insane modern people.

This is just getting so circular.

]]> By: Karin http://students.washington.edu/secular/2008/10/30/conversations-with-a-skeptic-3/comment-page-1/#comment-221 Karin Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:42:23 +0000 http://students.washington.edu/secular/?p=161#comment-221 OK, so he starts with arguing that belief in God is a basic belief. Next, the cosmological argument. Then covers the design argument, the teleological argument, the fine-tuning argument. Then the argument from miracles. You may have noticed that I'm not a fan of bad philosophy. So I'm annoyed with his running through a list of poor formulations of all the basic arguments for a god. And with Michael for not revealing the flaws in each. Which would kind of be knocking down strawmen. But he put them out there. I'd be more interested in these discussions if you discussed the aspects of Mars Hill that are controversial even among quite conservative circles. We've all heard all the most basic formulations of these philosophical arguments. I'm more interested in the things unique to this group of believers. Their personal stories and world views and religious experiences, what they think the role of Mars Hill is in Seattle and the world. What is it like to go through life knowing most people he's looking at are going to suffer eternally. How can he love such a God? Questions like that. OK, so he starts with arguing that belief in God is a basic belief.
Next, the cosmological argument.
Then covers the design argument, the teleological argument, the fine-tuning argument.
Then the argument from miracles.
You may have noticed that I’m not a fan of bad philosophy.

So I’m annoyed with his running through a list of poor formulations of all the basic arguments for a god. And with Michael for not revealing the flaws in each. Which would kind of be knocking down strawmen. But he put them out there.

I’d be more interested in these discussions if you discussed the aspects of Mars Hill that are controversial even among quite conservative circles. We’ve all heard all the most basic formulations of these philosophical arguments. I’m more interested in the things unique to this group of believers. Their personal stories and world views and religious experiences, what they think the role of Mars Hill is in Seattle and the world. What is it like to go through life knowing most people he’s looking at are going to suffer eternally. How can he love such a God? Questions like that.

]]> By: freddie http://students.washington.edu/secular/2008/10/30/conversations-with-a-skeptic-3/comment-page-1/#comment-220 freddie Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:39:56 +0000 http://students.washington.edu/secular/?p=161#comment-220 Dude. Way to stay calm. He definitely was getting a little flustered towards the end there. I am curious about this "homework" he keeps telling you to do--does he just mean to read the Bible? Or does he have other sources he is using? And I'm sure this is obvious, but even if Jesus did exist historically, I feel like it would be pretty easy for someone to beef up the story with some cool miracles without too much trouble and then over the years have the details get lost... Dude. Way to stay calm. He definitely was getting a little flustered towards the end there. I am curious about this “homework” he keeps telling you to do–does he just mean to read the Bible? Or does he have other sources he is using? And I’m sure this is obvious, but even if Jesus did exist historically, I feel like it would be pretty easy for someone to beef up the story with some cool miracles without too much trouble and then over the years have the details get lost…

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