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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:24 am 
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I know some of you, especially the married folks on the board, have experience with 1 sleeping bag per two person systems. Our current thought is to zip my mummy bag to a Feathered Friends Sandpiper groundsheet, but before we buy anything, we want to hear what has worked for you and what hasn't. We're primarily looking for a system that works well for the Cascades- we're probably not heading up Denali or other expedition-size peaks any time soon.

I'm interested in hearing about wide sleeping bags, zip-on groundsheets, and all the other wacky ways people get their shared weight down. Fair warning that we're unlikely to buy a non-Feathered Friends sleeping bag, but I'm still interested in hearing about what's out there, including homemade solutions.


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one person gets the sleeping bag, the other one snuggles with Picket? :)

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:10 am 
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I replied to Brian with this, but I'll post it here (with a few more details) for the benefit of all.

Grace and I use the Feathered Friends Toucan (370 g), and a Marmot Helium (1040 g, 20F)*. The Toucan is a nylon taffeta sheet that zips into the sleeping bag. It's designed for a square sleeping bag, but it works just fine for a mummy.

We've generally used a combination of foam pads and small thermarests** (180 g foam + 230 g inflatable). The foam provides a nice base that stays together so there isn't a cold spot between you, and the thermarests provide most of the cushion for your torso. This combination (foam + small inflatable) was lighter than any of the older generation of full-length thermarests, but I think that's no longer the case... I believe MSR makes a strapping system for holding a pair of thermarests together so they won't drift apart in the night.

We're quite pleased with the system, but it takes a little practice. There's only room for one person's feet in the foot-box of the mummy bag, but that's fine as long as the disparity in your height's is sufficient. Also, it's important that the taller sleeper choose the side with the hood.

We've been using this system since our Mt. Kenya trip (honeymoon), including some very cold trips here in the Rockies. I'd say what I've described above would be plenty warm enough for anything the Cascades can dish out, and for summer trips you could probably get away with a significantly lighter sleeping bag.

Total mass comes to 4 lbs, or 2 per person, which isn't too shabby.

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*We had to get the zipper on the marmot bag replaced before it was compatible with the Toucan.
**Grace opts for a full length inflatable, but this is heavier.


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For our Montana bike trip last summer, Lisa and I made a Ray-way quilt. We've found that it works really well i.e. is more comfortable, lighter, cheaper, and warmer than zipping two sleeping bags together. I think the quilt itself is about 2 pounds. On the down side, it takes some time to make (probably over a weekend for the first time) and it is a tad bulkier with the synthetic insulation. Even so, an equivalent bag with synthetic insulation would be much heavier and bulkier. Ray talks about all this on the website in depth. By the way, Ray Jardine is the same guy who invented cams. He now does a bunch of alternative gear stuff. You can find out all about it here: http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Quilt-Kit/index.htm.


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